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'Making A Murderer' Attorney Jerry Buting Reflects On Case / UNC, NCAA At Odds In Academic Scandal


Perspective on the criminal justice system from a defense attorney known for the Netflix hit "Making a Murderer," and an update on the academic scandal at UNC-Chapel Hill.

GUEST HOST: Michael Tomsic


Guest host Michael Tomsic discuss the criminal justice system with "Making a Murderer" attorney Jerry Buting.

The true crime documentary series "Making a Murderer" turned a small-town killing in Wisconsin into a pop culture phenomenon. The program raised questions about the conviction of Steven Avery, but also put the criminal justice system itself on trial in millions of living rooms.

Avery's defense attorneys, Jerry Buting and Dean Strang, became celebrities of sorts. They are using their new-found fame as a platform for continuing the conversation about criminal justice that began with "Making a Murderer."

Buting, a graduate of the UNC School of Law, is "hopeful that something more long-term can come out of the miscarriage of justice that we experienced in this case."

Guest host Michael Tomsic talks with Buting about his experience with "Making a Murderer," how the show illustrated potential flaws in the justice system and how to reform them.


The News and Observer's Dan Kane provides an update on the years-long NCAA investigation into academics and athletics at UNC-Chapel Hill.

The relationship between the University of North Carolina and the NCAA has entered an adversarial stage as the investigation into the university's "paper classes" scandal continues. 

Last month, the university appeared before an NCAA infractions committee. The closed-door hearing focused on procedural arguments raised by UNC, including a challenge to the NCAA's jurisdiction in the matter.

The deteriorating relationship between the two sides was apparent in recently-released correspondence published by The News and Observer. The NCAA pointed to "blatant disregard" for regulations. UNC has claimed the NCAA knew of fake classes at UNC in 2011, but didn't take action, according to The N&O's Dan Kane, who has been covering the university's scandal since 2011.

Kane joins Michael Tomsic to discuss the latest in the multi-year investigation.

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